Then we go to Kyiv, Ukraine to speak with Tamar Jacoby, the Director of the Progressive Policy Institute’s New Ukraine Project. She was a senior writer and justice editor at Newsweek and, before that, the deputy editor of the New York Times op-ed page. She is the author of Displaced: The Ukrainian Refugee Experience and we discuss how yesterday Trump checked in with the boss in and hour and half phone call with Putin and Tamar’s article at The Washington Monthly, “The U.S.-Europe Rift: How Trump’s Iran War is Making it Worse.”
